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Were the seven seals of Revelation a time stamp?

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There’s an interesting theory proposed by the folks at 119 Ministries that makes a lot of sense on many levels. I’m not ready to endorse this theory as accurate just yet, but it passes the initial test of exegesis in that there doesn’t appear to be a contradiction in the Bible pointing to the theory being invalid.

It speaks specifically about the seven seals of the book John saw when he was in the spirit on the Lord’s Day. He witnessed this book and a strong angel calling for someone to open it, but nobody in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Earth was able to do so. John wept, but then he was told look as the Lamb was successful in opening the seals.

Where was the Lamb when the original call to open the seals was made by the strong angel?

From Revelation 5:

And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

The theory by 119 Ministries says that the Lamb, Jesus Christ, was not found in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Earth when the initial call was made because he was still in the process of being translated to Heaven. The period from his resurrection until the moment he stood at the right hand of God was a tangible amount of time in the Bible. Could this mean, as 119 Ministries proposes, that the breaking of the seven seals happened shortly after he ascended to Heaven? Could the reason he wasn’t found in the three places searched by the strong angel be that he was in-between Earth and Heaven at the time, then he proceeded to open the seals once he entered Heaven?

Again, I haven’t done enough research to confirm or debunk this theory, but my initial response is that there’s no evidence that I’m aware of that contradicts it. If it’s correct, then the opening of the seven seals started in our realm shortly after Christ’s ascension to Heaven. This would make sense as the effects of the four horseman of the seals seem to have been in a steady state of increase since that time.

As always, it’s our responsibility as Bible-believers to examine the scriptures and make conclusions based solely on the text of the Bible. What do you think? Was this first stage of prophesy in Revelation a time stamp for events then, now, and into the future?

 


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  1. Sawyer

    March 1, 2019 at 1:36 am

    First off the 7 seals do not begin to be opened until the “end of the age” when Jesus said he would be returning. He opens those seals. In Luke’s gospel Jesus refers to his return and his “revealing” then. There is no indication that Jesus went anyplace by back to his Kingdom in the Heaven’s after he ascended into the cloud. That was the beginning of the age that is about 2000 years long.

    In “Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.”, it doesn’t make very good sense to translate the Greek “oudeis” as “man”. It would be more accurate to use another word equally usable as “not even one” or “none” or “nobody”. The reason I say this is because if it was definitely meant to be “man” the way we think of a “man” as a human it would have been the word “Anthropos”. However, part of why I say that is because there are no humans in Heaven. The only humans that get to go to heaven are those who overcome the world during the time of his return, when he is once again a “son of man” and that word “man” is Anthropos. Jesus said that in:

    Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man ((anthropos=human being)) which is in heaven.

    No one was found “able” to open the seals on the new material (BOOK written from within the Throne) (again the new material because he said upon his return he would “speak plainly of the kingdom.” He has a human physical body again for that first stage of his return, shown in several places but one big one is where it’s said the Two Witnesses (who are both anointed (Christs)) deliver “prophecy” which means they speak the truth and are The Father in a Woman’s body (Rev 12) and he being “her” “Son” “she” births to the throne task that the Father was sitting on before then. That’s when He surfaces by himself and is shown as the conclusion of opening of the First Seal of the Book which is depicted in Rev 6:1-2.

    He is the only one able to open the seal because it’s his assigned task given to him by the Father.

    The ones he refers to as in the earth and under the earth are his student souls who are still human to some degree, the resurrecting of the just Jesus spoke about. The reference to “under the earth” is referring to the Luciferian fallen angel souls.

    I know this will be a shocker, but the reason I can see so much is because I spent 19 years with the only genuine “Two Witnesses” who used the names in 1975 in the pubic eye, of Bo and Peep and then had the new names (Rev 3:12) finally as TI and DO who were seen by the public as the Heaven’s Gate “cult” which shocked the nation because of their choice to exit the human vehicles they had borrowed by their own hand (fell down in the presence of the Lamb) as it says in:

    Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

    The 38 students that laid down their human lives were the first fruit harvest of Rev 14 – the same souls who left everything behind to join with Jesus and follow him and deny their selves and take up their overcoming of humanness (and death) “cross”.

    I wrote a book that does a new translation and new interpretation on all Jesus prophecy and the Book of Revelation. I provide it for free on my blog. Send me and email and I’ll give you the name and/or link to it. It’s very large.

    I hope some can hear this as though it can be upsetting to the stomach it’s very pleasing to the mouth for those who have been waiting for this time.

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The biggest threat to Christians is the teaching of a pre-tribulation rapture

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The biggest threat to Christians is the teaching of a pre-tribulation rapture

In many scriptures of the Bible, there is a “falling away” or discussion of great deceptions that are coming to the world. It has been hard for believers in Christ to comprehend the possibility of the masses falling away from Christianity because faith has been a powerful part of society for nearly two millenniums, but we are seeing it today. Moreover, we are seeing the spreading of a seed that will cause further apostasy among believers in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior: the myth of a pre-tribulation rapture.

Most who have gone to church in the last hundred years have likely considered the possibility at the very least that the rapture of the church will occur before the tribulation that is spoken of in many books of the Bible, including the Book of Revelation. Some estimates put it at 90% of the Christian church believes in a pre-tribulation rapture. The vast majority of popular churches teach that believers will be called up to Heaven before the tribulation. Simply stated, the Bible does not support this claim.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Jesus will come in the clouds and call up those who are believers. This will not happen prior to the tribulation. The sun and moon will be darkened, and then He shall return. The majority of churches that teach Imminency, the concept that Jesus will return at any moment and His people will be raptured at that time, point to one verse to counter the argument of signs that will precede His second coming:

Matthew 24:36

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

This is obviously a true statement. It is also one that is completely misunderstood. The fact that we nor anyone else can know the day or the hour does not mean that He can come at any time. Throughout the Gospels and the writings of Paul, we hear of things that must happen before His return. It is not for us to know the day or the hour, but the season will make itself very evident. We will see certain events occur. One of those series of events are known as the Great Tribulation.

Why it is believed

The simply answer when asking why so many people, even “educated” church leaders, is that we want to believe it. It’s human nature to want to avoid persecution, war, sickness, and beheadings, all of which are spoken of as parts of the tribulation. If someone of authority tells us that we will not have to go through these things as long as we believe, it’s a message that can resonate. Those who hear the truth, that we may be living in the end times and that as a result many of us will go through great suffering due to our faith – it’s just not as positive of a message.

The not-so-simple answer is that Satan is pushing this as part of his agenda. It is Satan that rules the earth. His goal is to pull as many people away from the faith as possible, which is why he and his minions began deceiving Christians at their core starting in the early 19th century with the doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture. He has brought about and continues to bring about waves of deceptions to pull people away from even considering the Word of the Bible, but this particular deception is to attack those who are wanting to be strong in their faith. It’s designed to shake the spirits of the believers to the point of non-belief.

Think about it. If you make people believe that they are not going to face suffering, that they are “special” and will avoid all of the troubles that will engulf the world, then they are weakened as a result. They will not be ready. When the tribulation does begin and they’re still on this planet going through it, they will begin to question their own faith. They will not be prepared to fight against persecution. They will be more willing to be deceived in order to save their lives. They will be more open to deceptions of the Anti-Christ. They will be more likely to worship the false messiah to take his mark in order to buy and sell. They will see the formation of the one world government, the one world economy, and the single world leader and they will do so more willingly than those who have their eyes open.

This is arguably the greatest deception that Satan has pulled off thus far.

Why churches teach it

Building a church is not as black and white for most as it is for others. It’s much easier to build one with a happy message than to try to build one through promises of fire and brimstone, persecution and suffering. There are those sitting in the seats of church leadership who realize that a pre-tribulation rapture is not correct but they continue to preach it in fear that their congregation will shrink or disappear altogether if they go against the grain.

As with any man-made organization, the Christian church world has a “club” among the leaders. There are those who are in the club and those who are not in the club. Those who are in the club are able to speak at events, sell books, build up an online following, and prosper as a church. Those who are not in the club have a much harder time finding relevance in this world. Today, the club is made up of pre-tribulation rapture teachers. If you’re not preaching a pre-tribulation rapture, you can’t be in the club.

It’s a catch-22 for many. Not all do it because of ignorance or greed. There are those who teach it because they feel that a message that can resonate with more people is better than a message that alienates many. In other words, they realize that they are not teaching this particular issue properly but if they can misinterpret this one little point, they’ll be able to get the other important messages out to more people. It’s a misguided attempt at an honorable sentiment that is actually more dangerous than not reaching the people at all. We believe there is a likelihood that many people will fall away in the last days, but others will open their eyes as well. If they open their eyes and start reading the Bible, they will see what they had missed their whole lives and will have an opportunity to head down the right path before it’s too late. If, however, they are weakened by expectations of a pre-tribulation rapture, it will be more difficult to bring them back to the truth.

Debating the Issue

It is sad when I read some of the assertions of those who continue to fight the truth of post-tribulation rapture. They are often excellent writers or orators fighting from a misguided perspective. For example, in the book Triumphant Return by Grant Jeffrey, he states:

Several incorrect premises have caused some to reject the pretribulation Rapture and accept the position called the “postribulation Rapture.” The first premise is an emotional contention that it would be unfair for the modern Church to escape to heaven scot free to escape the martyrdom that other believers have experienced.

In all of our studies of those promoting a post-tribulation rapture, I have never heard this premise before. It’s appalling that Jeffrey would lead with such a poor premise, as if trying to mislead the readers into believing that the post-tribulation doctrine is so weak that those who believe in it are emotional and ignorant simpletons.  Below, you will see videos of people who have formed their doctrine based solely on the Word of the Bible, who make it crystal clear that a post-tribulation rapture is without a doubt the reality, and that the theory of a pre-tribulation rapture is damaging to those to which it is taught.

The Words of Jesus Christ should be the resounding end of any debate that He will return before the tribulation:

Matthew 24:29-31

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

There are other verses that also make it clear, but this is obviously the most specific. There are those who will say this is referring only to the Jews. There are those who will use charts and graphs to convince you of a pre-tribulation rapture. They will point to interpretations by Darby, Ephraem the Syrian, and Scofield as proof. Do not be misled.

Rather than point to the evidence or attempt to debate the concept, I will defer to a few people who have done more research on the subject than me. Please take the time to watch these videos and share this article. It’s important that believers are prepared for what’s to come. Whether it’s today or in a thousand years, we cannot allow people to be guided down a path that can lead them to be part of the falling away the Jesus spoke of in His ministry. We must open our eyes, see the truth, and spread it to all that we can.

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Liz Wheeler to Catholic girls: ‘Stop pretending you’re a victim because you broke the rules and rolled up your skirt’

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Liz Wheeler to Catholic girls Stop pretending youre a victim because you broke the rules and rolled

Students at Cathedral Catholic High School in San Diego are protesting their dress code. This isn’t an uncommon occurrence; there have been plenty of protests over the years, especially by feminists, in opposition to school dress codes that require girls to wear skirts. But this protest is different. The students are protesting because girls are no longer allowed to wear skirts.

Principal Kevin Calkin, the principal at Cathedral Catholic High School, changed the dress code in the most recent iteration of policy. Now, it states: “The most significant change is that skirts will no longer be an option for girls. Dress code is a perennial challenge. The dress code exists for at least three good reasons: to foster unity, to encourage modesty, and to minimize pressure to conform to particular styles or clothing brands. Basically we hope to foster a faith-based environment where students are focused on learning and not on outward appearances.”

But students brought signs and demanded the old policy be put back in place. Signs had various messages from “My body, my choice” to “Even Jesus wore one.”

The policy was put into place after the principal and others on staff had handed out “hundreds of hours of detention” to girls who would break the knee-length minimum for skirts, especially by rolling up their skirts to reveal more of their lower bodies.

One America News host Liz Wheeler lambasted the students, who apparently can’t tell the difference between rights and privileges. Only in America can students feel so victimized because they can’t wear skirts to school.

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Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them! – Isaiah 5:11 (KJV)

Alcoholism has been shown to be a destructive addiction, one that hurts both the individual as well as those around them. There is spiritual damage that happens as well. If you know anyone who has fallen under the evils of alcoholism of if you are addicted yourself, prayer is absolutely necessary. It can be one of the most debilitating habits that destroys lives. More importantly, it can destroy souls.

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