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A cop’s perspective on Utah nurse arrest: So much wrong



I’ve written before that “as the son and brother of heroic police officers, I know a little bit about law enforcement – exactly enough to know that I know practically nothing,” and most people know even less. As such, when I see negative press about a police officer, I react in one of two ways: either “that was completely, unquestionably justified based on even rudimentary knowledge of police work,” or “I’m not sure; let’s wait for more facts.”

On rare occasions, there’s a third response, which can be best characterized as “why on Earth did that cop just drag a Utah nurse out to his squad car after she refused to draw an unconscious patient’s blood without a warrant?” You might notice that this category is oddly specific. Like I said, it’s very rare.

On July 26, a nurse at University of Utah Hospital in Salt Lake City defied a detective’s order to draw the blood of an unconscious truck driver who had collided head-on with a vehicle that was fleeing police. The suspect was killed in the crash, while the semi driver was rendered unconscious.

The officer, Detective Jeff Payne, informed Nurse Alex Wubbels that it was protocol to draw blood from any party involved in such an accident, but Wubbels countered (rightly) that it was against the law for her to do so without following search and seizure provisions under the 4th Amendment. Wubbels insisted that she would not comply with the officer’s demands without either a warrant or consent from the patient, or unless the patient were under arrest.

Payne became frustrated and placed Wubbels under arrest, forcibly escorting her to his car, where Wubbels waited until she was eventually released with no charges filed.

See the video for yourself here.

In my amateur opinion, the officer was clearly in the wrong and attempting to violate the basic human rights of both the nurse and the patient. But since I try to defer to expert testimony, I thought it would be best to criticize Detective Payne through the lens of experienced officers: my brother (B) and my dad (D).

Let’s take a look step by step, according to an adapted list of the metrics I’ve been given by police on how to react to police controversy:

What is the law:

B: “We have to get a warrant. … The reason for arrest is the thing that bothers me.”

D: “Clearly the cop overstepped his bounds. he violated her civil rights, the nurse’s, and attempted to violate somebody else’s civil rights.” Additionally, had Wubbels drawn the blood anyway, “the blood evidence would have become what they call in law ‘the fruit of the poisonous tree.’ It would then be thrown out as would their case, and justifiably so…because it was obtained contrary to the fourth amendment, because it violated their protection against unlawful search and seizure.”

Whose side of the story have I heard?

In other words, a lot has been made of Payne’s malfeasance. But did Wubbels do anything wrong?

B: “She did a good job requesting a warrant. When she was told she was under arrest, it would have helped if instead of trying to run away from the cop and screaming for help like she was being kidnapped, she asked for his supervisor and asked for a lawyer. I can’t blame her for being distressed, but when people act out like she did, rather than allow a huge scene to be made in the emergency room an officer is going to remove someone quickly. I don’t mean to sound like a jerk, but if people freak out then it escalates, and a simple arrest, even a false one, can turn into a struggle.”

Put yourself in the officer’s shoes:

Even if Payne were right about the protocol, what should he have done differently?

D: “Even if he thought the nurse was wrong, he had many other avenues to take other than to bully and arrest her. He knew that and clearly acted with malice and should be gone. … Other avenues…would have been to go above her head or get the warrant or place the person under arrest if they had any other probable cause and he could’ve then pulled the blood, or ask for another nurse to do it.

What are the police trained to do?

This is particularly important since many are calling for department-wide trainings on how to handle this sort of thing. Is that even necessary, or should the cop have known better?

D: “It’s basic training for him that would have told him that he was violating these people’s civil rights. Every cop knows you could not draw blood from somebody without their consent or without a warrant. That is elementary. … He acted like a thug, a common schoolyard bully.”

What should happen now?

D: “I believe the cop should be fired and the nurse should be compensated by the city. … Fire the clown and compensate that poor nurse who was treated as she was. The cop acted like a thug and a bully. That’s why I say fire him. He is the type you do not want in that profession.”

Wubbels has stated that she won’t be filing a suit against the city, but that doesn’t mean the city shouldn’t offer restitution as a show of good faith. The hospital has come to Wubbels’s defense, and it appears the situation is being dealt with responsibly.

Feel free to copy this pattern of evaluation for future police incidents. It helps deter immediate outrage and remain sufficiently objective. As we’ve seen here, it doesn’t automatically excuse the cop’s actions either. It always pays to be level headed amid controversy.

Richie Angel is a Co-Editor in Chief of The New Guards. Follow him and The New Guards on Twitter, and check out The New Guards on Facebook.




  1. Matthew Oliver

    September 2, 2017 at 8:55 am

    I think you have neglected to address some of the more troubling police behaviors documented in this case. What is the responsibility of the other cops that stood by and watched as she and her rights were violated? Those cops swore an oath to protect and serve, who were they protecting? If a citizen had assaulted and absconded with her they would be arrested. Why has no one arrested Payne?

  2. Kimberly Davis

    September 3, 2017 at 5:02 pm

    I would like to hear your, your dad’s, and your brothers response to the above please. I too was wondering why none of the other officers helped her?

  3. Vet eran (HwyFuzz)

    September 3, 2017 at 10:40 pm

    This is unusual since the discussion is in regards to implied consent. Something you give when you accept your license. They were checking to see that he had NO jntoxicants in his body which means there’s no PC or even RS to believe he was intoxicated. Many departments including mine have policies based on laws. In the NYPD it two hours from the time of arrest to test. As stated above – fruits of the poisonous tree would have tossed this case. Should we sit her and Monday morning QB and suggest the Detective be fired for this? No. Due process is a beautiful thing. If the three of you disagree with his discretion fine – but we all know how things work – department policy formed from case law both state and federal will be applied. If he was following the law and he applied his actions in good faith – well you may want to review how you Monday morning QB the cop next to you that does something that may aplear wrong but was within the legal scope of the law. I don’t know how much time you, your brother and dad have on the job. But with 30 plus years on these are points I would lay out to my sons.

    • Tim

      September 4, 2017 at 6:34 pm

      The implied consent agreements ONLY apply to “if you want to keep your license” which is a contract/civil agreement, NOT a criminal one. You can, even if awake, STILL say NO to the blood-draw — you just risk losing your license. So that was really a bad argument.
      The patient must give consent for the draw for it to be constitutional.
      You don’t need to prove you were NOT on drugs, they need to have probable cause that you were. All evidence with this crash showed it was primarily the fault of the criminal suspect driver (and possibly the pursuing police) and that the burn-victim was not at all at fault!

      FURTHER the implied consent was rendered unconstitutional on June 23, 2016 in the case of Birchfield v. North Dakota.

  4. Richie Angel

    September 4, 2017 at 12:19 am

    No Monday morning QBing here. The Supreme Court ruled in 2016 in Birchfield v. North Dakota that implied consent can only be justified for “warrantless breath tests incident to arrests for drunk driving but not warrantless blood tests.” This was not an incident of arrest and the request was for a blood sample. Implied consent holds no water in this case.

  5. CB

    September 6, 2017 at 3:25 pm

    I’ve found that when people say, “I don’t mean to sound like…(fill in the blank)” they usually are the thing they say they don’t mean to sound like, i.e. your brother being a jerk. When someone “freaks out” with an encounter with an officer, it SHOULD be in the officer’s training and skills to deescalate, not the opposite. Otherwise aren’t you (your brother) saying that only people who are accepting, nice and easy going when they are arrested, even falsely, are the acceptable arrestees? Ridiculous in my book and in my response, yes, I admit want to sound like a jerk because I won’t accept such a ludicrous response.

    I hope that any encounter I ever have hereto forward… is with your Dad or someone’s whose training, judgment, integrity and moral compass appears to be that of one with high standards such as his.

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DDoS and Twitter attack in same day. Someone’s not happy with us.



DDoS and Twitter attack in same day Someones not happy with us

I should have known when the the Twitter account for the site was suddenly permanently banned that something was fishy. Unfortunately, Twitter is funny that way, so I didn’t put 2 and 2 together until the site itself went down.

When you operate a site that tells the truth, there’s bound to be someone offended. That’s the nature of the game, especially for a news site that focuses on conservative media, that holds a Judeo-Christian worldview, and that isn’t afraid to say things that may not be popular with, well, most people.

Our web provider was great. They recognized the attacks and took steps to stop them, but the attackers are clever. When they couldn’t brute-force hack into the admin, they went the DDoS route. I’m not going to get into the technical details because they’re over my head, but from what I can tell from the logs and in talking to our host, it wasn’t a casual attack. They’ve been trying to hack the back end for days and when that proved too challenging,they went straight for the shutdown attempt.

As for Twitter, I’m not even going to bother. The site and one of the authors (that I’ve seen so far) were banned. I switched the site to link to my personal Twitter account. Been meaning to spend more energy there anyway.

This is reason #17 why we’re so badly in need of donations from our readers. We have big plans for the site that include paid editors, writers, graphics, and a tech person (which we obviously need). I need to move the site to a stronger hosting tier, one that can withstand attacks like today. The one we’re using isn’t cheap, but it’s not top-of-the-line.

When you’re on the right side of the political aisle, there will be people who try to stop you. We will persevere, but we certainly can use the help.

To paraphrase a famous quote, if you’re not making enough people mad, then you’re doing it wrong. We will not crumble under the weight of heavy opposition. Fighting the left and their media puppets is a task that’s too important to let go.

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Culture and Religion

The complete fraud that is socialism




The complete fraud that is socialism

Once again we are witness to the age-old scam of socialism with Leftists making promises to attain power that can never be fulfilled.

Long before Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago exposed the systematic oppression, torture, incarceration and deliberate mass murder that are the hallmarks of socialistic slavery. James A. Michener documented the 1956 Hungarian uprising against communism in his book ‘The Bridge at Andau’. While both are great literary works, ‘The Bridge at Andau’ laid bare the complete fraud that is the collectivist ideologies in creating a ‘Heaven on Earth’ or ‘worker’s paradise’ that never comes to fruition.

The selling of socialistic slavery to a new generation tends to follow a certain type of ‘progress’. Promises are made for all kinds of largess ranging from Free Healthcare, Free Housing, Free College, Free food to even Free income. All paid for with other people’s money. Never mind that It’s impossible to fulfill all of these wondrous asseverations. Appearances must be made to at least begin the process, so the ever-present task of wealth redistribution begins at the point of a gun.

This is also why the Socialist-Left obsesses over gun confiscation and the suppression of free speech. It is imperative for the Leftists to disarm the people since they generally object to having their property stolen from them. However, we are getting ahead of ourselves, this is to document how this exploitation of the people has ‘progressed’ in other collectivist enclaves to better understand how this crime against the people is perpetrated.

Why do collectivist regimes always require secret police apparatus and the suppression of Liberty?

This question was detailed in The Bridge at Andau in the chapters on the ‘AVO man’. In which he discusses the secret police organisation of the Hungarian Communists, the AVO (Allamvedelmi Osztaly). He bluntly asked and answered the question:

Why must communism depend on such dregs of society?

No matter on what elevated plane communism begins its program of total dictatorship. it sooner or later runs into such economic and social problems that some strong-arm force is required to keep the civil population under control.

As is the case now as it was then, a nation’s Socialist-Left will promise just about anything to attain power over the people:

When communism is wooing the workers in Csepel, all kinds of exaggerated promises are made if they seem likely to awaken men’s aspirations and their cupidity. These promises are couched in such simple terms and such effective symbols that they become immediate goals of the revolution.

Review briefly what communist agitators had once promised the Hungarians who appear in this book: consumer goods such as they had never known before, increased wages. increased social benefits, shorter hours of work, improved education for everyone, a greater social freedom, and a government directly responsible to the working classes. Under communism such promises were never even remotely capable of attainment.

[Our Emphasis]
If all of that sounds eerily familiar, it’s because that’s part of a very old song and dance that has deceived many a generation into enslaving themselves under socialism. Consider this recent story from the Associated Press:

Democrats lurch left on top policies as 2020 primary begins

NEW YORK (AP) — Democratic presidential contender Julian Castro launched his campaign by pledging support for “Medicare for All,” free universal preschool, a large public investment in renewable energy and two years of free college for all Americans.

New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, who is expected to launch his presidential campaign soon, has sponsored legislation to create a federal jobs guarantee program in several communities across America.

The pilot program… could ultimately transform the U.S. labor market by providing well-paid government employment with benefits for anyone who wants it.

[Our Emphasis]

As Margaret Thatcher so aptly surmised, eventually they will run out of other people’s money. In our case in the states, that is already the situation given the enormous debt and unfunded liabilities reaching into the stratosphere of trillions of dollars. Of course, this hasn’t deterred committed collectivists such as Democratic mayor Bill de Blasio who recently stated that ‘There’s plenty of money in the world… It’s just in the wrong hands!’ Never mind that it is morally wrong to steal the property of others or that once a society turns down the dead-end of socialism there will always be more people wanting more money from those who have it.

Wealth redistribution scams will always wreck the economy. A socialist regime that nationalizes the economy can never function better than one of economic Liberty. Soon enough everything breaks down, the people see through the lies and the government has to start breaking heads. Thus it is imperative that they have previously confiscated the people’s guns and made it illegal to defend themselves.

The Takeaway

Socialistic schemes always run contrary to basic human nature. Rewarding someone for not working will always result in less work. Conversely, punishing someone for working will also result in less work.

This basic logic of human nature seems to be lost on Leftists. But perhaps it is not. They have to know their schemes have never and will never work. And yet they still try to impose them on everyone else. Perhaps they know of the epic fraud they are continually perpetrating on society, but they don’t care. That will be the subject of our next installment.

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As Venezuela implodes, Trump administration recognizes Juan Guaidó as President



As Venezuela implodes Trump administration recognizes Juan Guaid as President

The destruction of Venezuela by socialism and corruption is practically complete, but hope is on the horizon. A new President has been recognized by the United States, making Nicolas Maduro’s presidency nearly finished.

Juan Guaidó has been serving as the President of the National Assembly of Venezuela since earlier this month and assumed the role of interim President earlier today. The United States joins Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, and Puerto Rico in recognizing his claim as legitimate.

People have filled the streets of Caracas in an amazing display of solidarity against Maduro, who held an “inauguration” on January 11 despite clear indicators the May 2018 elections were rigged. Now, the streets of Caracas are full.

President Trump confirmed the move following multiple news outlets quoting White House officials.

Ironically, Guaidó’s rallying cry happens to be “Sí, se puede!”, Spanish for “Yes we can.”

My Take

This is the only viable move given the circumstances. As I posted on Facebook:

It may not be possible for Guaidó to turn around the failing nation without a lot of outside assistance, but one thing is certain: Maduro had zero chance of making anything better for his starving people.

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