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Roy Moore and half-your-age-plus-seven



Roy Moore and half-your-age-plus-seven

Right on time, The Washington Post published its hit piece on Judge Roy Moore. A hit piece is what it was, but that doesn’t discredit the content inside. Roy Moore did an interview with Sean Hannity giving a bizarre and uninspiring defense against his sex abuse allegations. In this interview, he claims he dated a lot of young ladies once he returned from the military. He also doesn’t firmly deny dating teenagers and gives a conflicting account of whether they were adults. This especially shows when he claims to always have their mother’s permission. Perhaps Roy Moore is a true gentleman in that regard, but chivalry goes out the window if these allegations are true.

Half Your Age Plus Seven

Society has a lot of ambiguities with the rules of dating, these days. Many we as Christians do not agree with. Whether Roy Moore molested Leigh Corfman or not, his life shows a pattern of being in violation of a widely known dating rule designed to establish appropriate boundaries between two adults. A man or woman should not be in a romantic relationship with someone who is younger than half their age plus seven. I started dating my wife when I was 19 and she was 18. Half my age(always rounding down), 9+7=16. See it gets a little tricky below the age of majority, but let’s keep this discussion in the context of adult dating.

In many ways this rule works to keep people who are in similar stages of life. For instance, a 30 year old and a 20 year old, while both adults are in completely different stages of life. However the differences become far less pronounce for a 90 year old to date a 52 year old. Still a little odd, but not all that inappropriate like a 25 year old dating an 18 year old.

Roy Moore and dating

The biggest supporting evidence for Roy Moore sex allegations, outside of what The Washington Post wrote, is the pattern in his life of disregarding the Half Your Age Plus Seven rule. Roy Moore was 32 when accused of abusing Corfman. Clear violation. The accusations made by Gloria Thacker Deason weren’t abusive in any way. Roy Moore recalls her as 19 or older  and let’s for the sake of the argument, assume it’s true. While this in no way is sexual misconduct, Roy Moore is admitting to a violation of the rule.

If Roy Moore did not have the normal boundaries for dating that would deem the relationship with Deason unappealing, then what is to make the accusations made by Miller and Gibson less believable. While Corfman’s accusation is outside the behavior of what we can observe about Roy Moore, the other three(really two) accusers aren’t.

Roy Moore does go on to have a successful marriage even without the rules. In 1985, at age 38, he married Kayla Kisor, who was 24. The two are still married. Now this was a violation of the Half Your Age Plus Seven rule. But if 14 years wasn’t too much of an age difference for Roy Moore, then was 11 years (Deason), 16 (Miller), 17 (Gibson) to much of a difference? Most of us could easily show that we don’t romance people with profound age differences from ourselves. Roy Moore cannot and his marriage is evidence for this.

The consistency of Roy Moore’s actions

Moore’s dating track record is the biggest piece of evidence that shows that two of the misconduct allegations are believable. However this track record does not suggest what Leigh Corman accuses him of doing is more believable than what The Washington Post presents. That is a much more severe case with actions out of the ordinary from the other two allegations. In fact, the other three women say that the physicality of their relationship never went beyond kissing and hugging. The more physical people are when dating, the harder it is to simply stay at kissing and hugging which is what Gibson says was all that happened. Her affiliation happened after Corfman’s alleged incident. So while, Moore’s track record serves to condemn him with romancing late teenagers, it can also provide context that suggests anything beyond first base was outside of his playbook in dating. However, I’ll end this thought by saying it’s hard to imagine a 38 year old man staying pure until his wedding day.

Nature of sin

No one randomly wakes up and says they want to grope a 14 year old. This isn’t “one mistake” but a process, a series of “one mistakes” that cumulated into pedophilia. People aren’t born pedophiles, they become them. Often times that first step is pornography. They choose teen porn, then child porn, and then graduate to pursuing prepubecent minors. If Roy Moore was a pedophile, then I’d wager there are other victims, especially since he seems to have dated quite a bit before marriage. Hopefully if there are other victims, they come forward.


Roy Moore confirms that he has an interest in younger women, even, or especially, those outside of the normal confines of adult dating. The question we are asking is whether Roy Moore was a man looking for love with no regards to the Half Your Age Plus Seven rule or was he a predator dating children. Until we know for sure, we eagerly await.

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Video: What is a Classical Liberal?




A short video making the point that the Left is no longer Liberal, having traded individualism for collectivism.

In one of their first animated video shorts, the Rubin Report discusses the vitally important topic of just who is a Classical Liberal.

OUR FIRST ANIMATED VIDEO! What is a Classical Liberal?

Liberalism has been confused with Leftism or progressivism, which is actually has nothing to do with classical Liberalism. Sadly the Left is no longer Liberal at all for it has traded individualism for collectivism.

The Rubin Report
Published on Jul 10, 2018

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$.02: When is it OK to quit church?



Chris Sonsken of South Hills Church and founder Church BOOM penned a piece on Fox News that caught my attention on Twitter. It was a good column. Read the article here. The article addressed a Pew Research finding as to why people change churches. There finding as shown by Sonsken are:

  • Sermon quality
  • Welcoming environment/people
  • Style of worship
  • Location

Sonsken does a great job in arguing that there are biblically sound reasons for leaving a church and finding a new one.

1. It’s OK to leave if God calls us to leave.

2. It’s OK to leave for family and marriage.

3. It’s OK to leave a church if you have moved too far away to conveniently drive to your church.

4.  It’s OK to leave if you cannot follow the church’s leadership.

5.  It’s OK to leave if heresy is being preached.

Sonsken even mentions that unethical practices like abuse are reasons to leave, though not the norm for the majority of church swapping.

The reasons Sonsken gave are no cause for disagreement, and I’m sure his book Quit Church probably better articulates them.

Where I want to add my two sense on the matter is that I disagree with his assessment sermon quality is not a biblical reason for changing churches. The supposition that sermon quality is inherently a result of the person treating church like an object of consumption, as Sonsken suggests is not true. I believe sermon quality is an umbrella term for several reasons for not liking a Sunday message.

Too often people leave a church because of disagreement, not getting their way, or because the sermons are no longer deep enough. Often when we dig into the reason the sermons are not deep enough, it ultimately goes back to the person being offended or not having their faulty theologies endorsed from the pulpit. The same pastor who was previously deep enough becomes shallow once there is an offense. It’s incredibly difficult to hear from God in a sermon when we are offended by the person delivering the sermon.

This is true in many cases. A sin that is personal gets preached on and the offended party leaves. I don’t deny this to be the case. But I believe we should look deeper into the current trends of worship and focus on the mission of the church.

18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Matthew 28:18-21 ESV

The church is to preach the gospel, but people accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior is only part of the mission. The Church is tasked with making disciples. The church is meant to teach. Not every follower is at the same level in their spiritual maturity or theological depth. Some churches, larger churches in particular dumb down the bible. In public education, this would be seen as lowering the bar. In church this practice could hold back believers in their growth. Small groups are a way to supplement this, and every church should employ bible study as a means to grow discipleship.

Many churches now are focused on metrics. This can lead to theologically watered down sermons and worship. Why risk offending that person who may leave with a sermon? But if a church is more focused on using a Sunday message to give a motivational speech using an out of context passage, what does it matter if they are doctrinally sound (in their written beliefs)?

There are a lot of heretical churches in America. We have issues like gay marriage to separate the sheep from the goats. But what about the sheep that suck? If a church has the right doctrine but is more focused on metrics than the power of the Holy Spirit, their head is in the wrong place. So it is biblically sound to change churches so that your head to remains in the right place.

That is not treating church like a consumer product. That is treating church like one’s means to grow spiritually, better recognizing the mission of the Great Commission.

That is my $.02 on the matter. I hope I added some meaningful word to this topic.

This post was originally publishd on Startup Christ. Startup Christ is a website for business and theology articles and columns.

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Video: So, You Think You’re Tolerant?




Leftists like to fancy themselves as being tolerant and Liberal, but they fall way short in both qualities.

Leftists will tell you that they are the most tolerant people who have ever lived, they will also scream at you for being a racist, xenophobic troglodyte if you happen to mention that you’re a conservative. They are supposedly ‘Liberal’, being in favour of Liberty while demanding it’s polar opposite – socialism.

Yes, if there is one constant in the universe, its that Leftists cannot be honest about who they truly are. This is what we love about our wonderful opponents on the nation’s socialist Left, for they are nothing like another group that went by the same nomenclature who also screamed at people in the streets with the motto: Common Good Before Individual Good. [Gemeinnutz vor Eigennutz]

But let’s not talk about the epithets they project on their enemies, let’s talk about how they get along with everyone who just happens to agree with everything they say. A new PragerU video featuring Dave Rubin of The Rubin Report looked at who is really tolerant. He is a true Liberal that discovered that it is actually the Pro-Liberty Right that is more tolerant, go figure.

Dave Rubin
Jul 9, 2018
Are you tolerant? You probably think so. But who is tolerant in America today? Is it those on the left, or those on the right? In this video, Dave Rubin of The Rubin Report analyzes this question and shares his experience.

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